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Will Fundamental Equity Analysts Become Extinct?

Jun 1 2007

Anonymous

Are fundamental equity analysts doomed to be replaced by machines?

That's the implication of a recent Reuters story by Dane Hamilton. The sources quoted are mainly quantitative investment experts from the hedge fund community, but also include Brad Hintz, an influential financial services analyst at AllianceBernstein who was once Lehman Brothers' CFO.

"At an increasing number of Wall Street investment banks, hedge funds and elsewhere, computers are churning out investment analyses culled from enormous pools of data," Reuters says.

Tanya Beder, a quant executive and trader with a lengthy Wall Street pedigree, told the news service that buy and sell signals generated by computer models are more objective and more "pure" than human analysis. She estimates that model-driven trades currently account for a third of all stock market activity.

Sandy Gross, who runs the hedge fund recruiting firm Pinetum Partners, noted "there's great demand for ... rocket scientists," with or without any background in finance.

The story broadens the message delivered in late May by James Simons, founder and president of Renaissance Technologies Corp., in a rare public speech to a financial engineers' group. "We haven't hired out of Wall Street at all," Simons said, according to a news account by Hamilton. Instead, the top-performing, model-driven hedge fund hires "physicists, mathematicians, astronomers and computer scientists and they typically know nothing about finance," in Simons' words.

A former math professor at MIT and Harvard, Simons made headlines in April when Institutional Investor’s Alpha magazine named him the highest paid fund manager of 2006, at $1.7 billion.

Comments (9)

  • This is simply hilarious. Will these guys ever realize that models are simply models (based on assumptions that never hold in reality) and that valuing a business is very far from being a science? Stupidity catches too much attention...

    Bob 06 Jun 2007

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  • Don't forget the people behind these machines.  The people that develop these algorithms know alot about the markets and about the math, their job may take over the pure fundamental analyst role.

    KP 07 Jun 2007

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  • Why do people insist on giving opinions on areas they had very little exposure to ? Quants will never replace fundamental analysts and fundamental will never replace quants

    CV 08 Jun 2007

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  • As Benjamin Graham's favorite maxim goes: the more things change the more they stay the same.  I have to agree with Bob's comment.  Models are just that models, and valuing a business will always be subjective.  This article epitomizes the dichotomy between finance professors and professionals.  The greatest counter example to this article's fundamental argument is Long Term Capital Management.  Lastly, all of you who want to cry Efficient Market Hypothesis, it is a bunch of ballyhoo.  Day traders and the common investor provide enough anomalies to create significant miss valuations.  Remember, Mr. Market is a schizophrenic.  The last time I checked no scientist can predict the actions of a Schitzophrenic!

    SR 10 Jun 2007

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  • The bigger question is about system dynamics and what happens if all of the sudden through the quant take over (they are at 1/3 of the market) the market indeed starts more behaving like the models. Note that the actual daily trading may already be vastly dominated by hedge-funds and quant dealing. That influences the prices so that reality may already be replaced by a pseudo-quant reality. Wondering what the CFAInstitute has to mumble about it...

    MRS 13 Jun 2007

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  • They are complimentary methods of research.  However, they are not substitutes for common sense.

    GS 15 Jun 2007

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  • Yes, no substitute for common sense, but common sense is not that common. Unfortunately many "fundamentalists" forget that they use models to. These models are less sophisticated and routed further from reality than any credible quant model. Eg./ dividend discount model...oh yeah forecast future growth of dividends forever, or discounted cash flow methods...try dealing with leasing, carry forwards, and off balance sheet transactions.
    Nonetheless, estimate a discount rate based on a pre-historic quant model like CAPM or your Fama. Laughable at best. the post above commented on a scientist predicting the behavior of a schizophrenic, When was the last time you looked at what these genius analysts are pumping out. All that fundamentalists have these days is LTCM and recent dips in shitty program trade quant funds. Well, in the quant field we have had very few blunders in comparison with what technical and fundamental analysts have smear jobbed. Lastly EMH requires for these anomalies to exist, though their rapid disappearance must be the flipped side of the coin -Which holds empirically. Wall street is growing up, and quant analysis will continue to grow and gain popularity.

    SEEKING_ALPHA 23 Aug 2007

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  • now sociologists would have something new to add if we would listen

    mb 20 Sep 2007

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  • Hmm,  how's that working out now...

    Jim 31 Oct 2008

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